85 thoughts on “Comparing the Aputure 300d to “Professional” Lighting – Joker 800, 2K Tungsten, ARRI 650

  1. And thanks for the info on other lights. By the way, with the Came Boltzen lights, were you testing the 30w or the 55w?

  2. The way these leds are designed can’t really compare to traditional lights due to the way light is being distributed/collected upon emission. Older lights used parabolic reflectors and such to achieve such throw and efficiency. Just slapping on that fresnel attachment doesn’t make it a fresnel. Fresnels ultilized reflectors and onmi sources. You would have to have a better designed modifier to achieve more concentrated light from an 300d. There’s long throw reflectors, but you would need a custom mounting for max efficiency. I would consider these a high power broad source. I wouldn’t compare these to long throw razor sources.

  3. I'd say the light is ok (wouldn't use myself due to the low r9 values) but that fresnel is a bit lame. If you compare it with the jocker you should use an equivalently well made modifier.

  4. Hey Bart, Thanks for the work on this! Super informative! I have two questions: 1. With your 10 feet light test, it looks like the 300d looks like it's light has a magenta cast on top and green cast on the bottom in the clips where you overlay your data, for example 5:49. Have you figured out why that is? 2. I'm wondering about the boxing ring comparison of the 300d to the joker. One variable that's not mentioned is the amount of smoke you had in the air, which it looks like there was more haze with the 300d test (not being able to see much brick detail in the far corner), than there was with the Joker (being able to see a lot of brick detail in the far corner). I'm wondering if this greater amount of smoke diffused the 300d light more than the joker light, rendering softer shadows and a weaker throw?

  5. Hi, thanks for the video but why don't you talk about the green colour cast or measure that with your light metre. Isn't that the reason for the lower TLCI and CRI scores (as the Aputure quoted figures are for the pre production model with out the green colour cast).For real world comparisons ie skin tones thats a pretty important thing to know about, not least when comparing it to lights that don't have that. Apart from the real world power the colour cast was the main thing I was looking out for in your video. The colour cast, lack of objective metered readings, is the main thing putting me off buying the 300d.

  6. Great work, thanks for making this! 🙂 Our video will come out Tuesday, making a whole horror film with just the 300D and two reflectors.

  7. I couldn't help but notice the level of haze difference between the two shots in the boxing ring scene. That being said, I'm thinking that it may well have played a big roll in the shape/punch of the beam. What really gets me excited about these is the low power draw, no worries about blowing fuses onset or even needing to plug them in for that matter.

  8. I bought a 300D and it definitely doesn't have as hard of a cut as I expected. I wonder if there is a better bowens fresnel out there that would increase the hardness of the beam. Using it with a hard cookie it doesn't come close the pattern from a lowel pro light or omni in definition of the pattern on the 300D with the fresnel the pattern is kinda blurred which was a shock.

  9. Lets not forget… The Joker 800, for a single light kit on B&H Photo is roughly $6,400USD. You can get 4 or 5 Aputure 300D's for the same price and have an amazing kit.

  10. Hard to beat price of 300D and it's flexibility. The Joker is great light, but for 6k it should at least have a handle. Great demo! Thank you.

  11. Awesome review loaded w/ info and examples. I have a question, Am I reading the Google doc correctly ? The Came-Tv 55w beat out the Aputure Mini20 in both output and accuracy ? 🤔 thanks keep up the good work.

  12. This is a great video, thanks for this. It's not a light I can afford today but it's some I might have to save up for. I was thinking of getting the Came Tv LED fresnel – I see you test that in your spreadsheet, I'll have to check the result

    Purchases like this are a big deal to me, I have to take care to spend wisely, – like everyone else watching this – so videos like yours are a godsend

    Good work mate thanks

  13. Would of been nice to see how it stacked up against two converged Aputure 120d lights as the 300d nearly twice the price?

  14. This is a great test and Thank you for the work and effort. It definitely doesn't totally overtake a Joker 800 but I got to see where this will come in handy. Definitely worth picking up a set of these. (less heat output, portable/less power, way less expensive as well)

  15. Nicely reviewed. Thanks for putting this together. The COB LED lights are the future of lighting instruments. I'm glad to see them getting more powerful and improving their color spectrum. I'm guessing there will be a bunch of unused HMI's sitting on the grip trucks in the near future.

  16. Great video. How do the cheaper aputure LED like the HR672 and AL-M9 compare to the 300D and 120D? A lot less power obviously, but how much less?

  17. Can you talk about mixing the 300d with the 120d? Its 6000K vs 5500K – will this result in a difficult, mixed light? Especialy if one person is hit by these 2 lights. Should I opt for multiple 300ds or multiple 120ds? Or can i mix?

  18. Super review, thanks for showing in a real-world​ use case, so nice to compare with other lights as well.

  19. excelent review
    I wish you could do the same with the Intellytech "light canon"
    which seems like an intersting light that is being overlooked

  20. I’m thinking about buying 300d and could you please tell what’s the benefit of a single 300d vs a couple of 120d? Am I losing anything if I just use a couple of 120d instead of a single 300d?
    120d is 2x cheaper, plus having 2 of them is more flexible than a single 300d, for example one could be used for key light and another for backlight, or both could be combined in a single key light.

  21. How does light fall off at different rates. The inverse square law applies to both LED and HMI and any other light source. It is still light. I think the measuring isn't accurate or the measuring tool isn't accurate. You can't have variable light depreciation. It's physics. Unless I am missing something.

  22. My concern is electronics. Jokers are great because you can pound nails with the ballast and they keep performing. The Aputure has an electronic box– that means many more points of failure. I can't imagine it will take the pounding that the heavier gear takes being moved from location to location.

  23. I think your test with the smoke is not accurate! Because you didn.t used the same amount of smoke on both setup! We can see that you used more smoke with the led…so it is more diffused than the hmi with less smoke. But thank you for all your test.

  24. A few points:
    1. Comparing the spot/flood of the 300d to a tungsten 2K fresnel is useless unless the circle of light is a similar size with both lights. In other words the 2K probably has a wider spot to flood range. Light levels diminish as a light is flooded so if one light can flood (spread) more then the another it will measure lower. If the 300D at 10 feet at full flood created a circle of light 10 foot across the 2K at 10 feet might make a circle of light 10 feet across at only 1/2 or 3/4 flood resulting in higher readings. The same holds true for spotting both lights.

    2. A tungsten 2K fresnel’s color temp is 3200k, the 300D is 5600 ( or close). If you needed to use 3200k in a scene you would have to gel the 300D resulting in a much lower reading then the 2K. The reverse is also true.

  25. Do you think the Leko mount would help the 300d cut through the fog more like the joker 800?
    Brightness aside, a more defined beam like the 800 could be enough to sell the direct sunlight look.

  26. all the problem is the quality of your fresnel, if you get a better one, with tight spot, you will get the same numbers like the 2K and you will get the same effect on that scene

  27. I love your reviews, Bart. This was extremely informative and extremely neutral; great combo!

    In future light reviews, I wish you would mention what camera you're shooting on. Aperture and ISO information would be welcome, too. Part of judging a light is trying to figure out if it is bright enough, and we need to know camera sensitivity to judge.

    Just a minor critique; don't let it take away from a feeling of accomplishment… great test!

  28. You will see a real difference in skin rendering – not just color – between any Joker and a 300D. Skin is a complex thing, and a very high CRI/TCLI instrument will shade differently, not just color differently. You can't fix shading issues in a color grade – because CRI and TCLI affect the perceived shape and texture of a face – it's not just a matter of a color being a bit too green or whatever.  A 120D, while still inferior to a top-tier HMI, is far, far better for lighting skin, for this reason.

    Also, the comparison you make is not really awesome. You're comparing the optics quality of the 69 dollar Bowens fresnel mount with a Joker 800 reflector and lens combination. This is not the same as comparing the lightsources themselves fed though identical modifiers. This is why proper tech readings are not, in fact, boring – they are useful, while "real world shots" are rarely so, because there are often too many external variables.

    Speaking of variables, the shape of a light emitter is also important. A joker Bug is an ideal shape for most kinds of modifiers, and on top of it k5600 makes many customs modifiers that are awesome, and that you cannot use with any other light.

    Now I'm not saying that the 120D is not great value – what I am saying is that you do, to some extent, get what you pay for. With a Joker you will get better light spread and much better skin shading. As a result your productions will, in fact, look better using Jokers. Whether that's worth the extra money and power draw is another issue. On our productions my answer is yes, most but not all of the time. Certainly just as a backlight, or fed through a strong party gel, the 120D is fine. But as a keylight, give me a Joker any day of the week.

  29. that is a fair test… and for many ppl that aputure light will be great… the 800 has a bit more juice.. but the aputure seems to perform great

  30. Cool comparison and thanks for putting in the work. Seems like a decent light for the money and certainly a little more flexible than an HMI in terms of easy usage so a little upside there. Agree about the throw of the light, but I’m glad to see we’re finally getting some options!

  31. 12:35 – Isn't this more an example of the light modifiers used and less about the light generator/source itself?

  32. Now that Aputure release the Fresnel 2X… It would be interesting how it fair versus the Joker 800 HMI ! Based on what they say they improved on it, that it would 'fix' the complaint of it in this comparison.

  33. to be fair, the beam on the spot 2k tungsten was so much narrower than the 300, i suppose it has something to do with the glass each one uses, the adapter did not replicated the punchy spot the tungsten has.

  34. Check out the Genaray Powerhouse 330W LED Monolight with Bowens Mount for $999 USD, sometimes on sale for $799 USD. That one looks promising!!!

  35. I think that one major aspect of this test that seemed to be ignored is the fall off rate differences between the joker 800 and 300d. Long live joker and the joleko! 😂

  36. It would be interesting to see how much difference the new fresnel mount from Aputure makes in these tests

  37. The only thing better than this light is your video. Despite the fair points others have made I am appreciate of the content. You were great on camera bro cheers

  38. I'm surprised how "little" the fresnel attachment does really, I think the application of the fresnel attachment is almost an afterthought, a, "well it works on other lights, so lets make one" without actually designing the fresnel/lens for the 300d LED module

  39. seriously edit the rambling out ! this could be 5-6 min of solid moving content. as for the comparison, a joker or kobold 400 would of been the right comparison. the flood comparisons should of had about the same size of coverage. most fresnel's are rated about 1/4 in from full flood too 🙁

  40. No verbal mention of the green ring of doom and the overall drubbing in cri and tlci the aputure took by the pro lights makes you lame, thumbs down.

  41. 12 min in – boxing ring test – Would the time in-between shots matter concerning the atmosphere? If you shot the Joker first then the atmosphere would be very concentrated and if there was a longer reset time and more atmosphere dropped in it seems like the mist would fall off and start to fill the entire room giving the 300D a wider range of mist in the air that it bounces off of, opposed to the desired spotlight/ light ray effect. Thoughts?

  42. Great and very informative video, thank you @Bart Johnson
    What is your opinion on the color acuracy? Especial if you shoot things that are VERY critical when it comes down to precise colors. Is the Aputure still a good pick, compared to the very high CRI numbers from the Tungsten and HMI? Thank you

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